Wednesday, April 26, 2006

For those of you who are telling us folks abroad to come home and build Kenya. Read this and then shut up!A great mind rots away because of patriotism...


At 4/28/2006 12:43:00 AM, Blogger mudskippah said...

All you Kenyans hiding abroad: Kwendeni huko, kaeni huko, we don't need you.

Years from now when Kenya is a success story the credit will go to all those of us who stayed right here and, pushed by circumstances yet inspired by dreams, developed homegrown solutions to meet our challenges.

Meanwhile, you in the diaspora live in the comfort zone of other peoples' labour, contributing your sweat, blood and tears to the very nations/systems that have enslaved us back at home and put us in the state we are in.

At 4/28/2006 05:55:00 AM, Blogger Instigator said...

@ mudskippah
Contrary to what you believe life out here is not a party!We toil and sweat just as hard as you back home if not more, but the thing is that at the end of the day we have something to show for it and you dont!
Plus do you think your talents rotting at home is building the nation at all?Remember patriotism doesnt put food in your stomach!Our talents are commodities and we have the right to sell them to the highest bidder plus do you know that the people abroad remit money that runs quite a bit of businesses and charities in kenya?Being in Kenya does not mean you are building it, it just means that you are there!
At the end of the day the first world is not responsible for all of Kenya's problems.I am sure you remember Moi and his pals running the ecomony into the ground?

At 4/28/2006 11:56:00 AM, Blogger kelitu said...

I totally agree with you instigator. Folk back home have no clue what hell we go thru. Those mapicha of kenyans' partying fool guyz big time- sio bash 24-7. Life abroad is nothing but the grind. Constantly.

At 4/29/2006 03:35:00 PM, Blogger Mocha! said...

mudskippah.....yaani, with your TUcomments, you have touched a raw nerve.

Ati kwendeni dont need us???? Yet, most of the things you are using huko have been touched one way or another by a Kenyan who managed to pata a jobo abroad.

I totally agree with instigator on this one. Just because you are in Kenya does not mean you are helping in building the country. If you are, ebu enlighten us!

And in what dream world are you living in, by saying years from now like its going to happen tomorrow? Kenya has a very long way to go to help its citizens and it's attitudes like yours it is still in the same predicament and getting worse. I am up for change like any other Kenyan abroad and in Kenya, but until we see the effects of these changes....we are going to stay where we are and build other nations.

Get off you high horse and smell the shit it is unleasing, coz my friend, I think it is constipated!

At 4/29/2006 05:48:00 PM, Blogger Instigator said...

@ kelitu
That is a well sttated opinion, people need to know that we are not living the vida loca!
@ Mocha!
I dont think I could have said it any better!

At 5/01/2006 02:20:00 AM, Blogger Stunuh Jay said...

@Mudskippah: Dear one, and I mean this with little to no affection. There is no joy found in wathcing life move or live without you. There is no comfort in being a stranger and treated no better than dog dirt. there is little respite in sending love home in the form of a little envelope when all we really want is a hug. We want to see the smiles, we want to watch life go by with our loved ones at home. Have the odd argument without feeling like death because you can't say that your sory face to face. If your idea of comfort is living a rat race where every step is a definite egg shell then you need a reality check.
Success is the decision we make, and sorrow the price we bear. You have no right to judge us, not god given or other. You better get your gacts right and the whole story straight. Kenya is a sucess, not in the stories you read in the news, but because of those you don't hear about. For all the high robbery in state house and people are still living and working without a working government. CHECK YOURSELF AT THE DOOR!

At 5/01/2006 05:25:00 AM, Blogger Instigator said...

@ stunuh
Thank you for you opinion.People need to know just because we are out here it doesnt mean that we love the people back home any less.But on the other hand the powers that be via corruption and greed have made it harder and harder for Kenyans to make a living and achieve their dreams.That has led to some of us leaving home and enduring a far harder life then we left back home to do this.But at the end of the day I am sure you and I know that we remain Kenyans!

At 5/01/2006 11:20:00 PM, Blogger Girl next door said...

I just read the article and it's sad. It's tragic that education on its own doesn't garner much respect in Kenya.
There have been a lot of discussions about Kenyans @ home vs Kenyans abroad and what each group contributes. I think this argument is really irrelevant in the bigger picture. It's a meaningless effort to divide and pit countrymen against each other (the same way tribalism does). This is a tactic used by colonialists to weaken us. It pisses me off to have people at home making generalizations about those of us abroad and I've got to say that you'll never understand the whole situation until you experience it yourself.
Growing up, we heard stories from peroz, relaz, and family friends about their lives abroad; we looked at pictures with envy. Even when they'd give advice and explain certain culture norms, I never really got it. But when you are here and the reality hits you in the face, you'll get it. It's not a walk in the park, it's a lot of hard work.
@ mudskippah,
so what if we contribute our labor to other countries? We have to take care of ourselves and take advantages of opportunities. These days, it's our own people oppressing us. I'm sure you're aware of the hefty salaries and allowances our MPs get. We have to accept responsibility for our problems coz outsiders could care less.
@ instigator,
pole for my lengthy post blogging on your blog!

At 5/02/2006 04:33:00 AM, Blogger mudskippah said...

Hmmm. Raw nerves in deed. At least the other side of the story gets to be heard...

Someone said the truth is in the middle of two extremes. Neither the ones who strongly support leaving the country nor the ones who are dogmatic about staying at home are right. The correct stand, in my opinion, is to accept that both playing at home and away have their pros and cons.

What matters is if we are doing our part in developing ourselves and our communities. Taking care of ourselves and trying to contribute to the greater good of everyone.

That said, you should go easy on the lynching!
*ducking rotten egg*

At 5/02/2006 04:39:00 AM, Blogger mudskippah said...

Wait, I still have issues with Mocha saying "but until we see the effects of these changes....we are going to stay where we are and build other nations."

Questions @ Mocha: Who is going to bring about these changes? Why build the nations that created and maintain the status quo (through colonialism, capitalist imperialism, corruption, economic and military bullying tactics, political interference etc etc)?

Then again, no point arguing over ideals. Just do your thing..

At 5/02/2006 10:19:00 AM, Blogger Mocha! said...

@mudskippah....this issue will always be a catch twenty two and a vicious circle.

To answer your questions:
Who is going to bring about these changes? Individuals bila the kind of ATT you kujad with hapa. "Kwendeni huko, kaeni huko, we don't need you", just to quote you. You are yet to answer me what you have done lately to build Kenya and to enlighten us or sling your hook elsewhere.

Why build the nations that created and maintain the status quo (through colonialism, capitalist imperialism, corruption, economic and military bullying tactics, political interference etc etc)? And why not. After all, whether we are in Kenya or not, we still do build their nations. IMF, World those institutions ring a bell? And if you think by being in Kenya, the future looks bright....ebu check out FarmGals post with a pic of the Dandora garbage. While out here we get to see more and hear more about home. Such a sad state of affairs. Unless your vote will change things next year....let us be. We will return to reap the fruits of your labour.

I will continue doing my thing!

At 5/02/2006 10:39:00 AM, Blogger Instigator said...

@ girl next door
I have blogged enough in your comments section before so feel free to express yourself.I do agree that there is no fast answer to this question and at times looking for an answer divides us even more!
@ mudskippah
Offer of peace seems to have been accepted by all but Mocha!Oh you didnt offer her one!
@ Mocha!
You also have valid points to the discussion but to save energy we can all go to Ms blog to his post about having one's cake and eating it!

At 5/03/2006 12:13:00 AM, Blogger mudskippah said...

The discussion looks closed but allow me to answer Mocha on what I, and others, are contributing to Kenya's growth by investing our resources here at home. Just a few real life examples:

1. Saving money in Kenyan banks- providing them with money to provide loans. These loans are used as business capital by borrowers who invest in SME's right here...
2. Investing and/or spending savings at home- in the NSE, local business, etc etc. Currently in the process of setting up a fully home-grown ad agency to cater for the needs of local business not adequately served by the large multi-national networks. The likes of Melvin's tea, Superloaf bread, Pick-n-peel juice, Equity bank etc etc need advertising, and all we have are agencies run by Britons and Australians and Indians...
3. The Homeboyz: perfect example of guys with business acumen who learnt skills abroad and came back to develop the home industry. That's the attitude!
4. All these IT geeks like bernsoft, cellulant, mobile planet etc, investing their skills at home and setting up succesful mobile and internet ventures, adapting the technology to the local context...

Look at it this way: Kenya right now is a business frontier, sort of like the American Wild West. There are risk takers who see potential in the horizon and have packed their wagons, pooled their savings and are taking their chances. There will be gold rushes and booms and busts all over the place, and prosperity will not come overnight. But it will come, we will not remain a broke-ass country forever, thanks to the efforts of people at home and abroad INVESTING AT HOME.

PS: I agree my opening comment was over-emotional, and I withdraw the "Kwendeni huko..."
However, I insist investing at home is the answer, no matter where you are based. Creating wealth is the only way to fight poverty.

At 5/03/2006 03:01:00 AM, Blogger AK said...

Ok guys, back to the main story- the guy splitting wood- I think the problem with many of us is not being able to think outside the proverbial box and being very comfortable when employed. I think as we work and labor, whether in Kenya or wherever, we need to think long-term and not in five year-terms like those pot-bellied, disgusting MPs..did I digress? pole!

At 5/15/2006 05:41:00 AM, Blogger Gay Nairobi Man said...

Allow me to enter into this debate albeit late. I agree with mudskippah on this one. When I came back home, a lot of people were telling me that it was a mistake to leave a well paying job and come and struggle with broken infrastructure, corrruption, insecurity etc. Granted, I did struggle but the results of setting up my own SME are there to be seen. I employ 63 kenyans now and my business provides a much needed service to the country.

If I stayed out, I guess the biggest thing I would have missed is the satisfaction that comes out when the enterprenuarial bug bites you and knowing I could never have been able to set up this type of business in Europe.

At 5/21/2006 12:22:00 AM, Blogger Girl next door said...

I just came back to read everyone's comment and this is a really interesting discussion.
@ gay nairobi man,
I admire you for taking the risk to be an entepreneur. It's true that wealth is not created from waiting for a paycheck only. However, I think it's easier to conclude this from hindsight. Once you succeed, you can look back and say, "I made the right decision." But what about all the people who try to set up businesses and fail? It happens all the time. Not everyone has the talent and resources to do it.
@ everybody,
A lot of decisions and lifestyle choices are influenced by socio-economic status, family situation, as well as personal ambition. I know people don't have to work to survive--they just do it to occupy their time, others return home to join the family business. Some people move to reunite with spouses and children. At the end of the day, you can't escape stress and problems, you just trade one set of problems for another kind.

At 5/21/2006 11:43:00 AM, Blogger Instigator said...

Congratulations on achieveing your dream but sadly not all of us are born entrepreneurs, so that makes things harder for others who want to come back.
@ girl next door
Thank you for passing by to sum things up.Yes at the end of the day this is a very complex issues that has no right answer.At the end of the day people will do what they need to do to survive and lets not ridicule them for that.


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